Reply-To setting (ZG list question)

[Samuel Reynolds]

Is there a *reason* why why the Reply-To on this list is set
to the *poster* and not the *list*?

E.g., Reply-To: ***@um.edu.mt instead of
Reply-To: zaurus-***@lists.zaurus.com
?

The latter makes far more sense to me.

And if this setting isn't deliberate, would it be
possible to change it so the Reply-To goes to the
list?

I have this issue with some other lists as well.
I participate in a number of mailing lists, and almost
all of them set Reply-To to the post-to-list address.
My experience has been that 99%+ of all my replies to
a list message (over *many* years) are intended for the
*list*, and that's where I assume they will go if I
just Reply to a message. Then I realize only *after*
I send the message and it FAILS TO APPEAR in the list
feed that it wasn't actually sent to the list.

- Sam

[peter green]

Post by Samuel Reynolds
Is there a *reason* why why the Reply-To on this list is set
to the *poster* and not the *list*?
?
The latter makes far more sense to me.

http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html

/pg

[Dave Leifer]

Post by Samuel Reynolds
Is there a *reason* why why the Reply-To on this list is set
to the *poster* and not the *list*?
?
The latter makes far more sense to me.
And if this setting isn't deliberate, would it be
possible to change it so the Reply-To goes to the
list?
I have this issue with some other lists as well.
I participate in a number of mailing lists, and almost
all of them set Reply-To to the post-to-list address.
My experience has been that 99%+ of all my replies to
a list message (over *many* years) are intended for the
*list*, and that's where I assume they will go if I
just Reply to a message. Then I realize only *after*
I send the message and it FAILS TO APPEAR in the list
feed that it wasn't actually sent to the list.

Sam,

I use a number of lists of both types and prefer it this way. I don't
find it difficult to consider which list I am posting to. Some lists
prefer top-posting and some prefer bottom-posting....

For a considered treatise on the subject see
http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html

Dave

[Samuel Reynolds]

I don't find it difficult to consider which list I am posting to.

[snip]

http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html

That's 2 out of 2 for reply-to-originator instead
of reply-to-list.

I've seen that article before, and I think that some
of its arguments are spurious or wrong--though not all.
In particular, I know it's a list, and I *assume*--through
long experience--that a simple Reply will go to the list,
and therefore that for any personal (not-for-publication)
comments I have to change the To address. The flip side
("principle of least work" and "principle of least surprise")
is that I expect it to go to the list if I make no special
effort to send it elsewhere. So I'm always surprised when
it doesn't go to the list.

FWIW, Eudora (which I use on Mac and Windows) and
MS Outlook don't have a reply-to-group option--just
reply and reply-to-all. Outlook Express has
reply-to-group, but it has other problems.

So while I still don't agree that reply-to-list is wrong,
I'll back down now. I see no sense in arguing a religious
issue. Not to mention that this thread is racing off-topic
for this list.

- Sam

[Noel]

I'd rather have reply to list myself.

Noel

Post by Samuel Reynolds

I don't find it difficult to consider which list I am posting to.

[snip]

http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html

That's 2 out of 2 for reply-to-originator instead
of reply-to-list.
I've seen that article before, and I think that some
of its arguments are spurious or wrong--though not all.
In particular, I know it's a list, and I *assume*--through
long experience--that a simple Reply will go to the list,
and therefore that for any personal (not-for-publication)
comments I have to change the To address. The flip side
("principle of least work" and "principle of least surprise")
is that I expect it to go to the list if I make no special
effort to send it elsewhere. So I'm always surprised when
it doesn't go to the list.
FWIW, Eudora (which I use on Mac and Windows) and
MS Outlook don't have a reply-to-group option--just
reply and reply-to-all. Outlook Express has
reply-to-group, but it has other problems.
So while I still don't agree that reply-to-list is wrong,
I'll back down now. I see no sense in arguing a religious
issue. Not to mention that this thread is racing off-topic
for this list.
- Sam

[Enrique Avalle]

For sure, a reply to list is the obvious to me because IMHO a "List" implies
answering to the list :)

[Dan Smith]

Hey all--

I'm running the Proto-1.2 ROM based on the sharp 3.1 ROM. I need to
have a swapfile enabled to run some things, but I'm getting lockups
when one is enabled. The system works fine at first and uses the swap
nicely, but eventually it locks to the point that I have to do a hard
boot (by turning off the battery switch, and then turning it back
on). I had the swapfile on the SD card at first, and thought the
issues were related to the card. I also tried putting the swapfile in
/home so it was on the internal storage, but I still get the lockups.

Does anyone have any idea what's wrong?

Thanks!

--Dan

[Tim Sawchuck]

Dan,

Grab the final release 1.0 ROM (tkcROM by Proto). There were 4 release
candidates and then the final release after the one you have. I run a
swapfile all the time, and have never had an issue with lockups.

Tim

Post by Dan Smith
Hey all--
I'm running the Proto-1.2 ROM based on the sharp 3.1 ROM. I need to
have a swapfile enabled to run some things, but I'm getting lockups
when one is enabled. The system works fine at first and uses the swap
nicely, but eventually it locks to the point that I have to do a hard
boot (by turning off the battery switch, and then turning it back
on). I had the swapfile on the SD card at first, and thought the
issues were related to the card. I also tried putting the swapfile in
/home so it was on the internal storage, but I still get the lockups.
Does anyone have any idea what's wrong?
Thanks!
--Dan
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http://lists.zaurus.com/mailman/listinfo/zaurus-general

[David Kramer]

Post by Samuel Reynolds

I don't find it difficult to consider which list I am posting to.

[snip]

http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html

That's 2 out of 2 for reply-to-originator instead
of reply-to-list.
I've seen that article before, and I think that some
of its arguments are spurious or wrong--though not all.

I run quite a few mailing lists. The point that this article misses is that
some mailing lists are primarily discussions (like this one), and some
mailing lists are primarily announcements. Clearly for the former, more
people would want to reply to the list, and for the latter, more people would
wnat to reply to the poster.

Discussion lists should Reply-to: the list.

FWIW, I have procmail fix this for me.

:0 fw
*.*\/(zaurus\-general\@lists\.zaurus\.com|openzaurus\-users\@lists\.zaurus\.com|***@handhelds.org)
|formail -i "Reply-To: $MATCH"

:0:
_Zaurus


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[Larry Garfield]

Post by Samuel Reynolds

I don't find it difficult to consider which list I am posting to.

[snip]

http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html

That's 2 out of 2 for reply-to-originator instead
of reply-to-list.

I've always prefered reply-to-list default, and frankly disagree with
the posted article, but I long ago gave up trying to convince the
stubborn admins around here. :-)

Incidentally, I'm curious. How many reply-to-originator folks use
text-based email clients (pine, elm, mutt, etc.) as opposed to GUI
clients (Outlook, Eudora, Mozilla, etc.)? Mayhaps that's part of the
difference in attitude.
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idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it
to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the
possession of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of
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